It is also unlikely that Ezekiel would have been refering to this Canaanite legend. Ezekiel is talking about how even the righteousness of Noah, Daniel, and Job would not be enough to save the people. Vs 16 says: " Even if these three men were there, the Sovereign LORD swears that it would do no good -- it wouldn't save the people from destruction. Those three alone would be saved, but the land would be devastated." These three men would have been used as well known examples that the Israellites and the Phoenicians were very familiar with. And adding a contemporary among Noah and Job would have made perfect sense to drive home the point that Ezekiel was making.
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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There are very strong comparisons to Noah, Daniel, and Job. They were men, who for their integrity, were delivered from the ruin that befell others. But you make a valid point, why would Daniel, a supposed contemporary of Ezekiel, be classed with the other two? Daniel 2 shows that Daniel was well known and considered remarkable by more than just the Jews. Ezekiel would have given life to his illustration by including a modern example among Noah and Job. I did not notice, in the text, that Daniel is noted for saving his own sons and daughters...
Barnes commentary brings out that " There is in the order in which the names occur a kind of climax. Noah did not rescue the guilty world, but did carry forth with him his wife, sons, and sons' wives. Daniel raised only a few, but he did raise three of his countrymen with him to honor. To Job was spared neither son nor daughter."
Clarke brings out: " Noah, though a righteous man, could not by his intercession preserve the old world from being drowned. Job, though a righteous man, could not preserve his children from being killed by the fall of their house. Daniel, though a righteous man, could not prevent the captivity of his country."
So just because Daniel is mentioned with Noah and Job, does not mean that this was necessarily referring to an earlier Daniel (though I don't rule that out completely). As far as the biblical text itself goes, there isn't any reason to think it refers to anyone BUT the contemporary to Ezekiel.
At the time of Ezekiels writing, Daniel would have been in captivity for 14 years and would have been very well known to captive Jews.
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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CA: Im done here.
See ya, bohm. Hope your day gets better.
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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btw, the link you posted, jgnat, was fascinating. Interesting take on Daniel. http://slavenssays.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-book-of-daniel-who-wrote-it-and-when-part-1/
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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I do however think its funny to point out where you are factual wrong and see how you (predictably) have the hardest time admitting so.
How so? I admitted misspeaking. What more do you want?
I dont have time to discuss the dating of daniel
Then why are you posting on a thread about dating Daniel?
only the old hoots appolegists have been hooting for decades.
It's been clear that you don't know WHAT the old hoots have been hooting and can't add to the conversation. Good day, sir.
Anyway, Leolaia, would not Ezekiel need to have been written after the 2nd century as well since it refers to Daniel and lists him among other ancient faithfuls?
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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So, Leolaia, do you believe that Ezekiel was written after the 2nd century as well?
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
i have read some works on the subject but would like your input..
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In my last post I said: I assume your next response will be something more about ME instead of an attempt to discuss the evidence or lack of evidence for a late date writing of Daniel. Am I right?
Good to see I'm reading you right...
you can tell me to cheer up again and I shouldt be mad at santa, god and the easter bunny.
Good...why would you be mad at them? Cheer up, bohm!
Anyway, anyone want to bring this back to topic.
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As of September 2012,20 branch offices are CLOSING DOWN
by raymond frantz infresh out of the jw.org website http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-office-consolidation/ .
the society as from september 2012 is closing 20 branches worldwide .the best bit is the last paragraph :.
workers are available to spend more time preachingbecause of the mergers, qualified ministers who had been serving in small branches can now concentrate on preaching the good news.. a witness in africa, who was reassigned to the preaching activity, wrote: "adjusting my lifestyle to suit the new circumstances was a challenge during the first few months.
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Here is an interesting side point. The article says: There are two main reasons for the changes.
Then they give ONE reason for the closure:
1. Technology has simplified the work
Ok...valid. That could be the case. So what's the second REASON for the closure?
2. Workers are available to spend more time preaching
Wait a second...that's not a REASON for the closure. That's a result of the closure... Could they not come up with another reason? I guess it sounds better than "We done run out of money..."
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As of September 2012,20 branch offices are CLOSING DOWN
by raymond frantz infresh out of the jw.org website http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-office-consolidation/ .
the society as from september 2012 is closing 20 branches worldwide .the best bit is the last paragraph :.
workers are available to spend more time preachingbecause of the mergers, qualified ministers who had been serving in small branches can now concentrate on preaching the good news.. a witness in africa, who was reassigned to the preaching activity, wrote: "adjusting my lifestyle to suit the new circumstances was a challenge during the first few months.
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They sure can twist anything to sound GOOD! It sure sounds better than "Branch office going out of business!"
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How credible is the dating of Daniel?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat infor example the hairy he-goat is very precise?
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i can then tell you i am as persuaded by their oppinion as you are of the majority of muslims scholars when they tell you muhammed flew into the sky on a horse and the quran could only be dictated by god.
Good! I examine those arguments too. Instead of attacking the person, I'd rather examine the evidence. I don't write off a scholar or simply believe them whether they are conservative or liberal. I examine the evidence. That is what I was attempting to do before you derailed the thread. I assume your next response will be something more about ME instead of an attempt to discuss the evidence or lack of evidence for a late date writing of Daniel. Am I right?
Also, I didn't hide anything. You were going off topic in accusing me of misspeaking, of which I admited to. I was staying ON topic in trying to discuss the dating of Daniel, of which you have added nothing to but accusations and generalizations. Cheer up, bohm. No one is attacking you. I was attempting to have an intelligent conversation, and was halted by you bringing up that I mis-said a word as I was typing.
What does it say about me?